I’ll just post this all-too-brief interview, then come back to fill in a few things later in the day. Meanwhile, add at will. Come to think of it, I’ll stick a few links in raw, as well.
Dr. Cohen’s question about how in hell’s name downing the passenger plane could have helped Putin or Russia, of course, is really one of the key questions. Pepe Escobar asks who benefits in his piece below, and mentions among other scenarios, that electing the Chocolate King hadn’t pleased Yulia Tymenshnko one iota (she of the ‘exterminate all the Novorussians’ fame) and it’s conceivable that it was a rogue Ukrainian military action.
Pepe Escobar was correct: the SBU spirited away the recordings:
Valentina Lisitsa @ValLisitsa “BBC reports Ukraine’s SBU confiscated the recordings of communications between Ukr. air control and #MH17.
These are from Geoffrey Pyatt’s twitter machine, proving by way of iron-clad innuendo, that the downing of MH 17 was all down to Putin/Hiler.
@uacrisis US Secretary @JohnKerry: “there is overwhelming evidence of #Russian complicity in the downing #MalaysiaAirlines plane in #Ukraine @BBCWorld”
From Pepe Escobar, who offers some counterfactuals to the MSM propaganda/narrative, and brings in some admitted rumors later:
“A simple search at reveals that MH17 was in fact diverted 200 kilometers north from the usual flight path taken by Malaysia Airlines in the previous days – and plunged right in the middle of a war zone. Why? What sort of communication MH17 received from Kiev air control tower?
Kiev has been mute about it. Yet the answer would be simple, had Kiev released the Air Traffic Control recording of the tower talking to flight MH17; Malaysia did it after flight MH370 disappeared forever.
It won’t happen; SBU security confiscated it. So much for getting an undoctored explanation on why MH17 was off its path, and what the pilots saw and said before the explosion.
The Russian Defense Ministry, for its part, has confirmed that a Kiev-controlled Buk anti-aircraft missile battery was operational near the MH17’s crash. Kiev has deployed several batteries of Buk surface-to-air missile systems with at least 27 launchers; these are all perfectly capable of bringing down jets flying at 33,000 ft.
Radiation from a battery’s Kupol radar, deployed as part of a Buk-M1 battery near Styla (a village some 30km south of Donetsk) was detected by the Russian military. According to the ministry, the radar could be providing tracking information to another battery which was at a firing distance from MH17’s flight path. The tracking radar range on the Buk system is a maximum of 50 miles. MH17 was flying at 500 mph. So assuming the “rebels” had an operational Buk and did it, they would have had not more than five minutes to scan all the skies above, all possible altitudes, and then lock on. By then they would have known that a cargo plane could not possibly be flying that high. For evidence supporting the possibility of a false flag, check here.”
He and others are mystified that alleged Spanish air traffic controller ‘Carlos’ was tweeting some incendiary things before his twitter account was closed, and he and the other ‘foreign’ controllers were dismissed; no one knows where Carlos is, or if he existed, really.
His tweets were compiled here.
From woody box’s thread at My.fdl,: “…the Russians have just published radar data on a press conference and claim that an unknown plane, presumably an Ukrainian fighter jet, was in the vicinity of MH-17 some minutes before and after the crash. Their data are pretty detailed.”
““The Russian military detected a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet gaining height towards the MH17 Boeing on the day of the catastrophe. Kiev must explain why the military jet was tracking the passenger airplane, the Russian Defense Ministry said.
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“A Ukraine Air Force military jet was detected gaining height, it’s distance from the Malaysian Boeing was 3 to 5km,” said the head of the Main Operations Directorate of the HQ of Russia’s military forces, Lieutenant-General Andrey Kartopolov speaking at a media conference in Moscow on Monday.
“[We] would like to get an explanation as to why the military jet was flying along a civil aviation corridor at almost the same time and at the same level as a passenger plane,” he stated.
“The SU-25 fighter jet can gain an altitude of 10km, according to its specification,” he added. “It’s equipped with air-to-air R-60 missiles that can hit a target at a distance up to 12km, up to 5km for sure.”
The presence of the Ukrainian military jet can be confirmed by video shots made by the Rostov monitoring center, Kartopolov stated.
At the moment of the MH17 crash an American satellite was flying over the area of eastern Ukraine, according to Russia’s Defense Ministry. It urged the US to publish the space photos and data captured by it.”
(I could have sworn that it had said earlier “may have detected…” I’m sorry this is so scrambled up; I’d forgotten that WordPress deleted their ‘Paste from Word’ button, so none of the style tags and hyperlinks come in, ack. I should have used Chrome, and will try to remember in the future.)
Ah; and I don’t know who these folks are, but the information seems probative as hell:
HumanRights Investigations.org, ‘evidence-based, independent and rigorous investigation of human rights abuse’: “The MH17 investigation and Buk 312” , an articlechallenging the idea that the separatists had that particular military hardware, then showing a video that the one in question was in a Ukrainian military convoy. I have no idea; finding the truth in any of this would be very hard, if not impossible. But straight out of the gate, I know I don’t believe the Empire’s version nor that of their puppets in Kyiv.
Oh, dear, oh dear, oh horrors. From the same Human rights investigations folks, ‘Lugansk War Crime‘:
“The air strike on the regional civil administration building in Lugansk by the armed forces of Kiev on June 2nd is a terrible tragedy for the civilians killed. Whilst the action has been described by the Ukrainian government as part of an “anti-terrorist operation,” it clearly violates the basic principles on the use of force governing law enforcement operations. Given the presence of armed conflict in Eastern Ukraine, the action violates international humanitarian law.
According to the OSCE monitors report:
“In Luhansk the situation remained volatile. On 2 June, shortly after 15:00 hrs, rockets hit the occupied regional administration building. Based on the SMM’s limited observation these strikes were the result of non-guided rockets shot from an aircraft. The number of casualties is unknown.”
Warning, heart-tearing and enraging video, as have been so many others, but confirmed, I’d say. This site’s a keeper.