Open Thread: ‘US-led coalition aircraft strike Syrian army positions, kill 62 soldiers – military’

Juliania had mentioned this horror on Davidly’s previous thread earlier today. I asked her if she’d be around for an open thread, given that she needs to use a library computer down the road from her now.  In any event, I’d been working toward a post on Syria as divisive to the peace movement (titles and links to follow), so I thought even a hastily strung together post might suit.  The title is from RT two days ago, and to say there’s more news would be an understatement.

This was what Juliania had mentioned that had especially bothered her:

“The U.S. is trying to distribute the blame for its air support of ISIS against the Syrian Arab Army in Deir Ezzor”, b at MoA    Also:
“The facts, not put into doubt by any U.S. statement, via the Russian military report after Saturday’s incident:”Today at 17:00-17:50 Moscow time, international anti-Daesh coalition (two F-16 and two A-10 jets) carried out four strikes on Syrian government forces’ units encirled by Daesh near Deir ez-Zor airport. The coalition’s aircraft entered Syrian airspace from the side of the Iraqi border,” Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov said.

As a result of the attack, 62 Syrian soldiers were killed and some 100 others were injured, according to information received from the Syrian command in Deir ez-Zor, he said.The Syrian government now says some 82 soldiers were killed in the attack which also destroyed 3 T-72 tanks, 3 infantry fighting vehicles, an anti-aircraft gun and at least 4 mortars. Following the attack the Islamic State troops stormed the Syrian government position on the Jabal Thardeh hill. They are now able to harass the airport of Deir Ezzor, the only supply line for the ISIS besieged city and the 150,000+ civilians living there under government protection.”  (again, the rest is here)

A few of the Reds in the Twittersphere have been furious at both Ben Norton and Rahnia Kahlek, as well as those stellar NGO war pimps Avaaz.

https://twitter.com/cordeliers/status/101653959185399810
It doesn’t seem to take, for some reason; it goes to Avaaz: ‘EU: Sanction Syrian Oil Now!’
“For months, Syria’s brutal President Assad has paid henchmen to wage war on his own people. Governments across the world have condemned these atrocities, but key European leaders could cut off the cash flow that finances this bloodbath.” and tra la la.  See more on ‘Compromised NGO Avaaz here at Café Babylon.

late addition, speaking of ha ha.

“Now this is some next-level horseshit

(click any for larger)

See also:

‘Freedom Rider: Standing with Syria’, Margaret Kimberly, BAR
“The US peace movement has been demobilized by disinformation on #Syria.” by Rick Sterling, Sept. 6, 2016

‘Socialists Supporting NATO and US Empire: a Response to Ashley Smith’, by Rick Sterling

Please add content, news, or opinion at will.  What.a.bloody.mess.

41 responses to “Open Thread: ‘US-led coalition aircraft strike Syrian army positions, kill 62 soldiers – military’

  1. https://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pg.-291-Pgs.-287-293-JW-v-DOD-and-State-14-812-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf

    p. 3, item E, p. 4, B, p. 5, D, again p. 5, (8) C, : note the mention of Der Zor (wiki says it’s the same as Deir Ezzor, google maps confirms).

    accident my ass.

    • an echo. but can you give me the cliffs notes version? reading that doc is beyond my ability, seemingly. else i’m just lazy as can be; one or t’other.

      on edit: i found them; some good soul at MoA provided a link. ;-)

      • it’s a doc from sometime in 2012 where the Defense “Intelligence” Agency notes that the very likely consequence of US & co’s (GCC states & Turkey) policy in Syria will be the creation of a “Salafist” state w/in the Syrian state, what we today know as ISIS. it’s analysis, not prescription, but the BHO admin read it & then pumped the gas on arming these “founding fathers.” Der Zor/Deir ez-Zor is mentioned numerous times b/c of its proximity to ISIS-dominated Mosul in Iraq and b/c the Syrian gov’t at that time had all but given up on defending the city. Judicial Watch got the doc on a FOIA request. They date the receipt of the report to May 2015, but i first heard about it a few months ago. as MoA today notes, there’s an A. Christie/Poirot “Orient Express” moment going on here as several US allies (not Turkey, so far) falsely claim they were part of the “accidental” bombing run. See, all of us make mistakes, so no one is guilty. See?

        • silly mon; i brought the link to save you trouble. now you enjoy psyops, and read quickly and well. is this from the Guardian: a psyop within a psyop?

          “A UN aid convoy delivering food relief to a rebel-held area near Aleppo has been targeted in an airstrike, just hours after the Syrian military declared an end to its observation of a week-old ceasefire agreed by the US and Russia.

          The convoy of 31 trucks provided by the Syrian Arab Red Crescent (Sarc) was targeted by either Syrian or Russian aircraft while it was unloading food relief in the rural area of Urem al-Kubra, according to humanitarian officials and reports from the ground. 12 people, most of whom were drivers, were killed in the attack, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.”, and a whale of a lot mo’.

          now see, all of us who care to know…know that even the paper of record finally admitted that dude was a one man fake. ‘Exposed: Syrian Observatory for Human Rights is EU-Funded Fraud

          NYT admits fraudulent Syrian human rights group is UK-based “one-man band” funded by EU and one other “European country.”

          In reality, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights has long ago been exposed as an absurd propaganda front operated by Rami Abdul Rahman out of his house in England’s countryside.

    • b just used your link to the levant. ;-)

  2. ‘A Disastrous Error in Syria’ by Patrick Cockburn; interesting take on competing global power supremacy US v. Roosia

    ‘Rogue Mission: Did the Pentagon Bomb Syrian Army to Kill Ceasefire Deal?’ by Mike Whitney

    he also explores the question: ‘who’s in charge? the white house or the pentagon?’

    ‘New York Times peddles alibi for US bombing in Syria’, wsws.org

    i must have missed juliania’s time at the library; i emailed her this ink, but d’oh…she won’t see it until her next trip there.

  3. but i heard Obama ended torture…

    • ha; i couldn’t even imagine what you’d been reacting to when your comment came in thru email. ‘course, they couldda been lyin, yanno. or they were torturin’ the prisoners rioting against forced work for others’ profit.

      • i saw this twat a of tweet twitted on twitter on someone else’s blog w/the comment: foxnewsiest tweet ever. yeah, color me dubious, fuchsnation.

  4. What I can suss out from my diverse sources is that the pieces are set up to take down Daesh in Raqqa and Mosul, ensure that they don’t break out to Libya or Russian regions, and mark down a second “Done” for the Obama administration.

    That seems to be the easy part of extracting the US from Syria. The more difficult part are the wishes of the surrounding players (Will they allow a return to stability in Syria, for example?) And the internal politics within the US military and national security state during an election year. And the rapidly changing global strategic situation with respect to military powers currently not a part of NATO that in turn affect the importance of the Middle East. And caught in this web is the status of Bashir Assad in Syria’s future. This dance is occurring in a series of ceasefire moves by US-NATO-YPG-Kurds and Syria-Russia. Ask yourself who the odd men out in this are. Who would want a wedge between the US-NATO and Syria-Russia at a critical moment in the endgame for Daesh?

    Which leads me to think that the mistargeting was a typical US tactical intelligence fuck-up. Only this time it wasn’t a wedding party. I wonder what the signature was that labeled the Syrian unit as Daesh. Was it an informer perchance?

    We understand where the whipsawing interests are in Syria and Iraq and the issues with their neighbors. With Daesh gone, Nusra will still be operating unless Syria-Russia negotiate a deal with US-NATO that takes both forces down at the same time. Yes, there are more moving parts in this that could go bonkers, but maybe there is an emerging consensus to let things calm down for a while and create a society to which Syrian refugees want to return. That is, a return to politics.

    • uh-oh; what was the first ‘done’ for the O administration? not libya, i hope, although i did see a headline somewhere that the allies have about wiped out isis in libya. (srsly, the various acronyms and re-brandings are beyond me, even w/ your cheat sheets.)

      would you mention your various sources, then answer your questions? is it true as some in the twittersphere claim that putin/russia are now in favor of federalizing syria? and why should outsiders get to decide, if so? guess that’s how the world works still, but: pfffft.

      i’m way muddled as to the various kurdish groups in the area, but catching up seems way too hard now, esp. given all the spheres into which our attention is yanked rather brutally.

      • The first done was the assassination of Osama bin Laden, of course.

        I saw a news article about the launch of the siege of Sirte. Has it succeeded in ejecting ISIS? That would be helpful in simplifying what the Libyans will have to deal with.

        Kurds are clear: YPG are anarchist Rojava Syrians seeking to build at least an autnonomous region within Syria. US Special Forces have embedded themselves here and are providing support because beginning with Kobane, these have been the folks most kicking Daesh out of places. They are somewhat related to the Turkish PKK, another leftist Kurd group that is on the Turkish terrorist list and provide excuses for Turkish suppression of the Kurds in general. And then there are the Kurdish Regional Government in Iraq, generally referred to as peshmerga, who in fact sit on Iraq’s northern oil fields, a fact that they will push to be recognized when Daesh is ejected from Mosul. The Sunni and Shia of Iraq will of course push back, hopefully only politically. The ideological differences and different current nationalities of these groups are why we are not likely to see an independent Kurdistan emerge as the dust settles. It is unclear what besides more conflict later on we will see.

        Russia has a federal ethnic/religious structure. It would not be out of bounds for it to suggest something similar for Syria. From the Russian perspective which group held the area around Latakia and Tartus would be a critical point. But that does not mean that Syria requires a federation structure to regain stability. Protecting minorities and also respecting majorities are the difficult squaring the circle required after years of the use of internal antagonism to undermine the regime. And dealing with the tendency of authoritarian regimes to also become corrupt regimes is a second issue. A lot of neo-con types see federation as a way of controlling both Syria and Iraq for that matter. My reading is that they are projecting that it would be attractive as a deal with Putin for pushing on the two proxies, Syria and Iraq, as a two-fer, with the blessing of Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Israel. I suspect Putin respects his allies slightly more that that. But we will see.

        • ha; yes, of course. the second of course would be clinton: “we ame, he saw, we had gadaffi bayonted us the arse”, cackle cackle. yes, the ypg are US approved™. is it nato’s new appreciation of feminism? yes, their twitter thang is so much ado about that these days (if in grotesque and shallow fashion.)?

          we seem to be ships passing in the night, amigo. i’m awake fr before first light, you are busy with actual llfe in the world until late. guess i’ll have to beg off again until tomorrow to try to grasp the rest of your comment.

          for tonight: i’m almost totally full of ‘the thin red line’ film. to say it’s the best antiwar war film ever wouldn’t really begin to laud it. so much philosophical prose in the voice-over narration that i am subsumed, and perhaps..replete in its genius.

          sleep well if you’re able, my friend.

        • okay; by today i’m able to understand almost all of this, but there won’t be a pop quiz, will there? clearly this: From the Russian perspective which group held the area around Latakia and Tartus would be a critical point.

          but oh, my; i saw someone tweet this article from 2012 at the guardian earlier. do most people know of this already, and how much of it might be so? way beyond my ability to decode. but ha; there’s that syrian observatory on human rights again. ;-)

          https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jul/12/syrian-opposition-doing-the-talking

          • Interesting blast from the past. I think I might have seen that in 2012 and shaped some of my scepticism. I still get the Syrian Observatory for Human Right’s Facebook posts. You can tell how things are going where from the tone. Of the folks there, he has the least information on his possible sources; definitely among the rebels and definitely not a Kurd. Could be a weird ex-pat citizen journalism operation or could be something else. Don’t see the NGO means of support with a tailor shop. Trying to remember where his stuff first crossed my path. Thinking it might have been al Jazeera, which means he might be a Muslim Brotherhood type, which might explain the tailor shop venue. My main points of viewing the information landscape are Institute for Study of War (straightforward PNAC types), Moon of Alabama (US-NATO sceptic at the very least, has some interesting Russia sources), Juan Cole’s Informed Comment (academic US, trying to school the deep state but to that extent accepting of their frame of reference, a diverse bunch of Mideast sources), The Guardian (different viewpoints, but generally UK-range of views), Christian Science Monitor (sometimes quirky and interesting minor points), and the stuff that Yves Smith and Lambert Strether put up as links on naked capitalism. Col. Patrick Lang (ret.)’s Sic Semper Tyrannis had a recent piece on US Special Forces sabotaging traininng of Nusra and other jihadi groups in Syria; it was framed as a mutiny against US policy. Saker occasionally has some stuff from Russian analysts. And Pepe occasionally looks at the Middle East.

            • thanks for the sources, not altogether unusual. but srsly, i recently provided (second-hand) a NYT piece from mebbe 2014 (?) noting that the Syrian Obs dude was being financed by the US and EU. makes sense, and he does seem to out himself here an there, doesn’t he? i did peek into lang’s place yesterday, he had a guest post or two…and i know b depends n him, but i admit i’m biased against him. just sayin’. the saker’s far too pro-russian military for me, but he does provide some interesting analysis, not always his own, eh? but oy; his place is too hard on mine eyes any longer.

              but i’m glad that you’re at least somewhat confident on what’s afoot in syria; i can only spot some of the most glaring agitprop, and understand completely that it’s not a civil war going on, but a proxy war in the extreme.

  5. Thanks for doing this thread, wendye, and the various permutations of this conflict may exceed anyone’s overview, with oil pipelines like snakes in paradise triggering mayhem as they are wont to do.

    In the fog of war it is hard to see how that number of troops holding a strategic position defending an airport could be mistaken for forces attacking said airport, particularly during a cease fire which was occasioning a UN convoy to approach apparently desperate in need east Aleppo – unless it is all to say ‘Cease fire? You must be kidding!’

    And who benefits from that? Cui bono, as they say. Not Russia. Not Syria. Not any ordinary mortal.

    My bet’s on the man with the artificial heart. But maybe even he has regrets at this point.

    • welcome, ww; glad to do it. pipelines like snakes: yay-uss indeed. is this in answer to thd’s question, and is it O or cheney? i lose track…. “My bet’s on the man with the artificial heart.” (i’d been about to suggest turkey, gullen (sp?) extradition and turning toward the bear.)

      just a few new essays and opinions to throw into the mix:

      ‘Syria Solidarity Movement Statement on the US Attack against the Syrian Army at Deir ez-Zour’ at dissident voice

      ‘Samantha Powers (sic) Condemns Russia for Condemning a U.S. War Crime’ by Gary Leupp (i’d seen on twitter that she’d gone full-tilt fourth-grader; this may reflect that, dunno)

      ‘US Military Enters New Phase in Syria’ by Chris Ernesto

      “The US-led airstrikes that killed 60+ Syrian soldiers not only ended the brief ceasefire, it helped ISIS gain control of territory in Syria, and appears to be an escalation of US-led efforts to provoke Syria and Russia.

      “The US Central Command claimed they thought the base belonged to ISIS. It does now. With the forces decimated by the US attack, ISIS quickly overran the base,” wrote Jason Ditz on Antiwar.com.”

  6. too great to breeze by:

    from their ‘about’ page:
    “The Putin-Trump project is funded by the Progress for America Political Action Committee. This PAC is funded by supporters who believe this issue is centrally important to American Democracy. It was launched by Internet entrepreneur Rob Glaser, founder of RealNetworks and an early employee at Microsoft.

    The Putin-Trump Editorial Director is Bill Buzenberg, former head of the Center for Public Integrity, a Pulitzer Prize winning investigative news organization, and vice president of news for both National Public Radio and Minnesota Public Radio / American Public Media.”

  7. http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2016/09/bentley_declares_state_of_emer.html
    fuel for the Sioux?

    and i just couldn’t believe this (why the surprise??) 1st step, or rather a further step, to ghettoizing NATO’s war victims?
    https://www.rt.com/uk/360080-uk-great-wall-calais-refugees/

    • yes; i’d seen that first story on the #NoDapl account. sigh.

      now wait, i thought i’d read that ‘the jungle’ had been burned to smithereens; apparently not. but ‘syriza’ reportedly bulldozed the many citizens helping refugees centers; how sick.

      roar also has this essay on calais and self-organization in ‘the jungle’; i haven’t read it.

  8. the thin red line also has a fab score. the dissonant trumpet that appears a few times as if off in the distant is from this, you can hear it at about the 1:40 mark:

    from wiki:
    Against a background of slow, quiet strings representing “The Silence of the Druids”, a solo trumpet poses “The Perennial Question of Existence”, to which a woodwind quartet of “Fighting Answerers” tries vainly to provide an answer, growing more frustrated and dissonant until they give up.

    • jeezum crow, jason; i swear i’ll have to watch again w/ those sounds in mind. oddly enough, i don’t remember them, and my ears are usually so tuned into dissonant notes. perhaps i didn’t take malick at his instruction to ‘please play this loud’.

      in some sort of synchronicity, as i was playing the music, i heard some hellacious caterwauling from a few coyotes a tad east and south of us…then a gunshot from the same location. now the cacophony is even more eerie, and i know for sure who the shootist is.

      sleep well, dream well or at least helpfully. ;-) (i dreamed of new fawns ’bout the size of house cats last night.)

      • “pipe down you coyotes! blam! blam! blam!” bastard. nothing like that this a.m. but as i was bringing the landlord’s dog back in from the morning walk, i scared up a blue jay from a bush who then shrieked his warning from the trees above. sigh. we are on a direct line from the pentagon to quantico and these big-ass helicopters fly over periodically scaring all of nature & childhood. the bluejay sagely took off when joe biden or ash “is a goddam robot” carter or whoever flew overhead this morning.

        as for the music, the opening strains on the strings probably appear, but it’s the trumpet i remember. that whole scene where they attack the japanese encampment in the jungle is like perfection, incl. the music.

        and when they go back to the native village, the villagers now are fighting among themselves & all have chicken pox (or worse)?

        the music that plays after wit dies & enters the afterlife:

        • lovely requiem; that i do remember. it may have been that i turned the volume down during the attack on the encampment, given the horror of it all. when one soldier tried to protect/comfort a japanese .soldier trying to surrender, and another GI shot him…it made me furious to the nth degree. for one thing, almost no westerners will believe anything but that US military are dogged about treating prisoners ‘humanely’ (in contrast to the mcCains hanging in bamboo cages), but knowing that jones’ book is based on his own experiences in guadalcanal; my stars.

          remember when sy hersh said at some symposium or other that GIs in afghanistan were telling him of battlefield executions and he was called a liar? uh-huh.

          and what did witt say often? that he’d seen another life that was full of light? sergeant welsh: “where’s your spark now?” well, at least we knew, maybe he hoped, that it was burning brightly somewhere… what a character; thank you, james jones.

          but oh, the copters: nice touch on the imagined occupants. guess you’re used to them by now, but when a couple flew over the house yesterday, i went out and looked. not military, i think.

          the gunslinger i’d referenced is the man who’d been shot at over water and access to a ditch a few weeks ago (a needless mess). so i’d imagine he has some pent up fury to unload, so to speak. creepy knowing how many people in the neighborhood are packing, though, and not all of them are what you’d call ‘stable’.

  9. Apologies that I haven’t the ability to post on video items, limited to what I can read for the most part (though I was surprised at rt this morning to be afforded live coverage of the UN emergency debate on Syria – I only watched a snippet, being aware it uses up my thingamajigs and that’s a no-no.)

    Still on that subject, I found Robert Parry’s piece recommended by a comment at nc to be woefully behind the times, still trying to sort out ‘good’ rebels from bad uns. He supposes all sorts of facts that are still at issue and some that are mighty questionable. Samantha’s been even more woeful apparently – have to say I can’t bear to watch her. Last time I did (and was suckered) was when she was genociding Dafur to a receptive Thom Hartmann. Fool me once on both of them. These monsters have no compunction using real people undergoing real tragedies to further their aims.

    I don’t say Robert Parry is a monster, but he’s rather a wimp at times.

    • Here’s a quote from the Parry piece that illustrates what I am saying above:

      “Syria has become another battlefield in that information war with tragic events being used as propaganda clubs by the various sides to beat one another, rather than moments for careful review of the evidence and assessment of accountability.”

      To say that ‘the various sides’ are using the tragic events as ‘propaganda clubs’ is incorrect. Perry’s own piece demonstrates that it is the US which does this every time. The ‘moments for careful review’ do occur as Russia only replies with the facts known to it at the time of these events, responding in as speedy an effort as they are able to do after analyzing the data they do have available. But it is the US which hits the ground running, never mind the facts.

      We are left with the US purporting to desire a ceasefire so that they can continue the ‘accidental’ mayhem whilst the other side of the conflict abides by the rules. It’s no wonder both Syria and Russia have had enough of this.

  10. explain please? “I only watched a snippet, being aware it uses up my thingamajigs and that’s a no-no.” and sam power? is it she who’s accused russia of war crimes at the UN?

    always remember that sammie’s married to cass sunstein (brrrrrr), talk about a dark power couple. hmmm; it seems as though parry and co. are asking some fairly pointed questions on his front page, but i do follow your meaning above. the one syrian popaganda essay looks like promising, naming NGOs like ‘purpose’. hope avaaz is in the mix, as well. thanks for the tip, srsly.

    https://consortiumnews.com/

  11. patrick cockburn’s piece at CP on duelling propaganda pretty much says that all air wars feature mistakes, the thing is that Gs get in early to blame or explain.

    trnn has ‘Ashley Smith is a member of the International Socialist Organization, a researcher at the Center for Economic Research and Social Change, and a member of the editorial board of the International Socialist Review (ISR). He has written on various subjects for the ISR as well as Socialist Worker, ZNet, Counterpunch and Jacobin. He is a member of several movement organizations in Burlington, Vermont, where he lives.’

    Ashley Smith says Assad and the international players in Syria share a common goal: undermine popular revolt”

    Smith being the self-same er…lefty…named in my final link in the OP:

    ‘Socialists Supporting NATO and US Empire: a Response to Ashley Smith’, by Rick Sterling

  12. gotta be something going on here (a sop to the US public?), but Congress overrode Obama’s veto on suing Saudi Arabia re 9/11. or do surprises still happen?

    • the surprise is the overwhelming vote in the senate, imo. da house is scheduled to vote on the over-ride later today…today IS wednesday, isn’t it?

      “Last week, the Senate voted on a resolution to restrict arms sales to Saudi Arabia until it stops targeting civilians in Yemen.”

      dunno what ‘restricting arm sales’ looks like in actual factuals, but do they or the public give a good goddam about yemenis? i might have said because: opec doesn’t want to cut oil production to boost prices, but…that’s just a guess.

    • beats me, but moments ago: ‘OPEC reaches deal to cut oil output first time in 8 years’ and the markets went wiiiiiild!

      • from wsws today: “More than one legislator noted that if the bill had unintended consequences, it would be modified or repealed.”

        it’s a bit riskier to rely on the “3rd branch” of gov’t but there are lots & lots of ways to scuttle cases here. e.g., invoking “state secrets”. i know the cat is partially out of the bag already, but the saudis have deep pockets. and the entirety of US intel services at their behest to block court cases.

        • that sounds about right; i had read of the many caveats to making claims for restitution. still, all of it’s rather odd to me. but oy, when i went over to wsws, i found another alarming bunch of news on india v. pakistan. never links at their site, but i’m poking around. but toast and a pear first. ;-)

  13. There’s a Diana Johnstone piece at Counterpunch which argues that the Mosul operation is meant to push ISIS toward Syria, In order to force Russia to send more troops to Aleppo, turning it into another Afghanistan for Russia, leading to Putin’s resignation in favor of a leader the US can do business with.

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/21/hillary-clintons-strategic-ambition-in-a-nutshell/

    • it makes total sense, greyson smythe. and as one who follows the queen of chaos so closely, i look forward to reading it. still touting a no-fly zone, even knowing what she knows, according to the emails. but O, my soul: if i say ‘welcome to the café and you’ve been here before, please know that in my dotage, i get a bit confused as to where i’ve met folks of kindred souls. otherwise: welcome back?

      cuz that’s of course what the Imperialists reckoned that quagmire partially ruined the soviets, and if it worked once…oh, no…the US would do it better, no? only fifteen years later and…what a tragic and sick joke.

      sorry for being so long; weekends here are chock full of chores, and i’ve been working on a new diary, having to dig for things i once knew and have…forgotten. yanno what i mean? well, i hope not.

      • Oh, Wendy!

        Yes, I’ve been here before… But no worries, this is a large café, and I’ve been a kind of transient.

        I just had this come over my twitter transom – more confirmation of the direction Syria et al. is heading, and from no less than the WaPo, so you know it’s approved!

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/washington-foreign-policy-elites-not-sorry-to-see-obama-go/2016/10/20/bd2334a2-9228-11e6-9c52-0b10449e33c4_story.html

        … Oh Jesus, they quote Madeleine Albright:

        “The immediate thing is to do something to alleviate the horrors that are being visited on the population,” said former secretary of state Madeleine Albright, who is leading a bipartisan and international team looking at U.S. strategy in the Middle East for the Atlantic Council. “We do think there needs to be more American action — not ground forces but some additional help in terms of the military aspect.”

        • jeezum, crow, greyson; i yam so embarrassed. i swear, as my memory melts further, i’ve taken to ask mr. wd to help me out w/ his memory. goddess luv him, he figured he would have remembered a grand name like yours. i just went outside and told him of our great goof, and that i’d blame it on him. ;-)

          and doggoneit, on one of these moar war threads we did a bunch on the atlantic council, but i just looked upthread, and it’s not this one. yes, something ‘more kinetic’ is the ‘active war’orwellian term now, but i will say that the wapo journalist seems to categorically believe the agitprop against assad and russia, yes? and ‘oh, those ‘moderate rebels’ and lovely and brave white helmets!’

          b at moon of alabama you may already be familiar with, but he has another alleppo post up today. also, thanks for the wapo; they had a clinton email quote i can use to finish this war and peace-length post on the big new hit on wikileaks. sorry again, darlin’; i keep sayin’ ya’ll are gonna tell me when to hang up this place… oh, and i haven’t even stopped to read your johnstone column yet, fie on me. shoot, i may soon, i’ll never get this one finished today.

          • a moment of my crystal navel, i mean, ball gazing:

            “Madam Albright, several studies have indicated that well over 500,000 children died to overthrow the Assad regime. 65% of the population was displaced. The gov’t is now dominated by elements that make the Taliban look like [insert fake lib political hero. Dukakis?] Turkey has xyz the Kurds. China has [something]. Russia has [something less than incinerated the planet] and many people say we are in World War 3. Lebanon, Israel, Iraq, Iran, Jordan, etc.

            Tell me, do you think it was worth it?”

            “these were difficult decisions, etc.”

            • that’s sick, jason! (but a great albright redux.)

              Madeleine Albright Retweeted
              Zbigniew Brzezinski ‏@zbig Oct 18
              “Temper tantrums and ambiguous statements about US role in the world is not how a potential leader of the world’s strongest country can act.”

        • … Oh Jesus, they quote Madeleine Albright:

          My reaction too.

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