White House ‘accidentally’ leaks post-9/11 CIA torture report findings


RT reported it this way:

When the CIA first began using its controversial interrogation and detention methods after the September 11th attacks, it reportedly declined to tell the Secretary of State and other American ambassadors about its actions.

The revelation comes from the Senate’s still-unreleased report scrutinizing the United States’ post-9/11 interrogation techniques, and first came to the public’s attention Wednesday when the White House unintentionally emailed a document detailing the findings to an Associated Press reporter.

The report – parts of which could be declassified by the White House in the coming days – also apparently found that some of the ambassadors who were briefed on the CIA’s activity were told not to notify their superiors in the State Department. One congressional official confirmed to the AP that these findings are documented in the Senate’s report, while a former CIA official said then-Secretary of State Colin Powell may not have known about the agency’s techniques when they first started using them.

The White House document noted that the CIA employed slapping, humiliation, sleep-deprivation, exposure to cold temperatures, and waterboarding in its attempts to interrogate suspects. The document does not go as far as saying the methods are legally considered torture, but it does reportedly say the Senate report categorizes the techniques as “torture by a common definition.”

According to the AP, the White House document states that the State Department wishes to stand behind the report’s findings and harshly criticize the CIA.

“This report tells a story of which no American is proud,” the document says in a section labeled, “Topline Messages (as proposed by State).”

“But it is also part of another story of which we can be proud. America’s democratic system worked just as it was designed to work in bringing an end to actions inconsistent with our democratic values.”

The State Department also wants to maintain that the Senate report “leaves no doubt that the methods used to extract information from some terrorist suspects caused profound pain, suffering and humiliation. It also leaves no doubt that the harm caused by the use of these techniques outweighed any potential benefit.”

Additionally, the document features multiple questions that, presumably, the White House is preparing to answer if and when the findings of the Senate report becomes public. They include:

“Until now the (U.S. government) has avoided conceding that the techniques used in the RDI program constituted torture. Now that the report is released is the White House prepared to concede that people were tortured?”

“Doesn’t the report make clear that at least some who authorized or participated in the [CIA interrogation] program committed crimes? Will the Justice Department revisit its decision not to prosecute anyone?”

“Isn’t it clear that the CIA engaged in torture as defined in the Torture Convention?”

According to a Tuesday report from Reuters, the White House may very well declassify the Senate report’s 600-page summary within the next week or so. In addition to its conclusions on the CIA’s methods themselves, the report is believed to state that no significant counter-terror information was gained through the techniques, and that the CIA claimed greater, more beneficial results than the evidence supports.”

Now the AP (this via the Canberratimes) wrote a few more things about the ‘leaked four page memo’ (pdf is here).

“The report concludes that the agency at first kept the then Secretary of State, Colin Powell, and some US ambassadors in the dark about harsh techniques and secret prisons.

The still-classified report also says some ambassadors who were told about interrogations of alleged al-Qaeda detainees at so-called black sites in their countries were instructed not to tell their superiors at the US State Department, says the memo, which is circulating among White House staff.  [snip]

A congressional official who has read the Senate report confirmed that it makes the findings outlined in the memo.  A former senior CIA official said Mr Powell eventually was informed about the program and sat in meetings during which harsh interrogation techniques were discussed. However, Mr Powell may not have been informed when the techniques were first used in 2002, the official said. On Wednesday, a  spokeswoman for Mr Powell would not comment.

The former CIA official said it would be standard practice for ambassadors who were told about a covert operation to be instructed not to share it with others who did not have a “need to know”, as determined by the National Security Council.

The four-page White House memo contains the State Department’s preliminary proposed talking points in response to the Senate report. It is not clear who wrote it, or how influential it will be in tailoring the President Barack Obama administration’s ultimate response to an investigation that has been the subject of bitter disputes.”

I poked around the web a bit, and most websites followed suit as far as believing that the ‘leak’ to a Reuters reporter was accidental, although different paragraphs were featured.  It seemed to be to be a pre-emptive whitewash of Colin Powell an certain ambassadors retroacctively, *and* a way to steer reporters (WH and State Dept. scribes) to which questions *matter*, and likely thereby limit the narrative.


Aha, I had thought; emptywheel must have seen this, and with her eagle eye and complete familiarity with the subject/s, would be able to see the memo for what it really is.  And she did, in two different posts.

‘Tortured Diplomacy’, a few bits:

“This narrative — developed as part of the initial Senate Intelligence Committee effort to study torture which ultimately became the torture report — suggests Colin Powell may not have briefed on torture techniques until September 16, 2003.

According to CIA records, pursuant to a request from the National Security
Adviser, the Director of Central Intelligence subsequently briefed the Secretary of
State and the Secretary of Defense on the CIA’s interrogation techniques on
September 16, 2003.

That seems very late — but he was apparently specifically not invited to a July 2003 meeting at which Principals reauthorized torture even in light of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s treatment. And these two comments from 2009 were awfully vague.

Remember, in January 2002, Powell and others at State tried very hard to get Bush to adhere to the Geneva Conventions they failed. Which is probably why he didn’t find out for a long time.

In any case, the implication is that Powell’s Ambassadors knew, but Powell did not.

I’ve just started looking at who the Ambassadors in question might be — especially with AP’s anonymous and probably lying CIA source claiming Ambassadors did get told (which the CIA often doesn’t do but which is a violation of protocol) but two stick out right away.”

She then names a few ambassadors, and the likelihood of their having been briefed on the CIA’s use of torture… then an update:

 “Update: Here’s a 2008 story (there were many similar ones at the time) that insinuates Powell was at the torture meetings. I think it’s meant to deceive.”

State’s Funny View of Our Democracy’, July 31, 2014

“The talking points are particularly pathetic for the way they try to turn the torture report — and our treatment of torture more generally — as proof of functional democracy.

The TPs claim the report is evidence of the government’s transparency…

The fundamental facts about this program have been known for some time. The U.S. government is committed to transparency and has released much of this information to the public before. This report adds additional details which confirm the wisdom of our national decision not to use such interrogation methods again.

… of our vibrant democracy…

America’s democratic system worked just as it was designed to work in bringing an end to actions inconsistent with our democratic values.


America can champion democracy and human rights around the world not because we are perfect, but because we can say that our democratic system enables us to confront and resolve our problems through open and honest debate. Our Congress issued this report, and the Obama administration strongly supported its declassification, in that spirit.

… and the separation of powers …

These interrogation methods were debated in our free media, challenged in our independent courts, and, just two years after their introduction, restricted by an act of our Congress sponsored by Senator John McCain and overwhelmingly backed by members of both of our political parties.”

The last talking point is particularly neat given that 1) it gets the timing of the Detainee Treatment Act (passed in late 2005, and therefore over 3.5 years after torture started, not 2) wrong — not to mention its efficacy at ending torture, and 2) the Executive, including this President, has prevented any court challenge to torture by claiming state secrets and immunity, and as recently as this month claimed the victims of our torture cannot describe their own torture before the Gitmo Kangaroo Court. John Kiriakou, in particular, will likely find this talking point curious.”  [snip] (and I love this, and had not known it):

“Still, I can’t help but remember that Maria Harf was CIA spokesperson before she moved over to State — indeed, actually started on the analytical side of the house.

In any case, it’s nice to know that State thinks impunity for torture is a sign of a vibrant democracy.”

It will be pretty interesting to see the questions Marie or Psaki get asked at the next State Dept. briefings, eh?


36 responses to “White House ‘accidentally’ leaks post-9/11 CIA torture report findings

  1. We can only guess about these things. who did what when etc. who authorized it, who knew, we’ll never know.

    what’s happening with the guys in the armed forces that tortured? the guy from central american job that got sent to Iraq to train? nothing.

    “The fundamental facts about this program have been known for some time. ”

    I don’t believe that. I think the things they call terrible, are some of the milder things that were done. I think much worse stuff was done, and that people were murdered. I know what was done to Maher Arar.

    I also don’t believe that it’s stopped. There’s no reason to think that it has. Obama says it has. for some reason that doesn’t convince me.

    other subject.

    I listened to democracy now the other day, they were discussing the spying. not once did they mention blackmail.

    It’s beyond me why this gets no discussion at all. Not anywhere. the odd comment at firedog lake.

    Guest was Jeremy scahill, he is there to discuss how difficult it is to do his job, cause people are afraid to tell him anything, cause of surveillance. He’s writing about some report someone gave him. I think.

    Amy Goodman first question. where did you get this information.

    what’s with her? She does that a lot. Getting tired of her.

    other subject. I thought Venezuela was getting a break with all the other crap. wrong, US just sanctioned a bunch of Venezuelan officials. Latin American herald tribune.

    busy these days in Obama’s office. I think that guy is on permanent vacation.

  2. yes, state pre-emptively denied their entrance to the US; oddly, it wasn’t on the venezuelanalysis newsletter; they must have sent it out just beforehand. assholes. but it’s based on HRW claims, and remember the letter the 100 activists in the human rights world penned to obomba asking that they not be so tally allied with the white house? meh. alligned with nato, as well.

    no, we’ll never know. aside from lyndie england, her boyfriend, and janet karpinski, it will continue with impunity in this nation.

    yes, of course it’s still going on. i couldn’t find the original piece i wrote about it, but here’s a quote from a more recent diary:

    “Remember, according the NYT’s May 29, 2012 original piece on Obama’s Terror Tuesdays and ‘baseball cards’, writing about Obma’s executive orders ending torture, closing Gitmo, etc:

    What the new president did not say was that the orders contained a few subtle loopholes.’ [Snip]

    The day before the executive orders were issued, the C.I.A.’s top lawyer, John A. Rizzo, had called the White House in a panic. The order prohibited the agency from operating detention facilities, closing once and for all the secret overseas ‘black sites’ where interrogators had brutalized terrorist suspects.

    ‘The way this is written, you are going to take us out of the rendition business,’ Mr. Rizzo told Gregory B. Craig, Mr. Obama’s White House counsel, referring to the much-criticized practice of grabbing a terrorist suspect abroad and delivering him to another country for interrogation or trial. The problem, Mr. Rizzo explained, was that the C.I.A. sometimes held such suspects for a day or two while awaiting a flight. The order appeared to outlaw that.

    Mr. Craig assured him that the new president had no intention of ending rendition — only its abuse, which could lead to American complicity in torture abroad. So a new definition of “detention facility” was inserted, excluding places used to hold people “on a short-term, transitory basis.” Problem solved — and no messy public explanation damped Mr. Obama’s celebration.

    ‘Pragmatism over ideology,’ his campaign national security team had advised in a memo in March 2008. It was counsel that only reinforced the president’s instincts.”


    i’ve seen blackmail mentioned, but perhaps not whole posts. well, this one a little bit, but that the nsa sees us as naughty.

    i grew a bit leery about amy after having that chris miller kyiv post banderist and some other freak. she gave, what, three minutes to cohen last week? she asked scahill that, lol? yikers.

  3. Lyndie England. That sure showed everyone that democracy works, like the memos says.
    of course you covered that, you’re a one person journalist army. I counted your posts a while ago, you were going at the rate of about three a week for a long time. not cut and past…. well done.

    Maybe Amy is overworked. What’s her carbon footprint? and Bill McKibben’s?

  4. argh, yes it did prove how well ‘democracy’ works. no mention of the rule of law, of course. i had to find his name: charles graner. england was sentenced to three years, paroled after 521 days; graner was sentence to then years, didn’t read far enough t know how long he spent inside.

    it takes my brain some time for things to soak in, but i want to say yesyesyes! to the sly propaganda that ‘the fundamental facts of this program have been know for some time’. and yes, worse things have undoubtedly been done, and are still being done in black rendition sites all over the world. (uk just got busted again for their part in rendition, the guardian said.)

    i also found myself wondering if emptywheel thought the memo was a fake, by way of softening up for the following day’s ‘cia admits spying on senate members, etc.’ news. brennan is the worst of the lot, his power complete.
    congress is full of cowards, no matter what the cia, nsa might blackmail them with, imo. *not american patriots*.

    how in the world did you count my diaries, dear? an inhuman feat! they don’t even make pages available at fdl, so one can flip to the guess of a timeline, as so many sites do.

    i have a bit more on venezuela, and some of it is made more clear. i’ll go do some things and try to come back in a bit.

    ‘a one person journalist army’ made me laugh, and thank you for the nice compliment, mark. getting slower, busier, but also there’s just no one left at fdl, really, compared to even a year ago.

  5. Firedoglake…oh well. There’s no shortage of blogs and websites.

    I still read a few things there, but stopped commenting. It’s getting nasty again.

    They had a few good articles last day or two.

  6. no shortages, but i tried a number of them after josh marshall closed the tpm café, and my.fdl took, others did not (six others, iirc). i do read other places, but seldom comment. on the front page of fdl, i find the commentariat quite insular as far as responding (or not) to outsiders from the rabble diaires. :)

    nasty: i can only imagine; but fairly single-issue as well. not than i don’t understand that, i guess.

    venezuelanalysis had this to say on the travel to the US bans:

    “The State Department’s move comes on the heels of two points of conflict between the U.S. and Venezuela. The first occurred a week ago, when former Venezuelan intelligence chief Hugo Carvajal was arrested in Aruba on drug trafficking charges at the State Department’s request. The Dutch government ruled that the arrest violated international rules on diplomatic immunity.

    The Venezuelan government had named Carvajal as its consul general in Aruba, though Aruban officials claimed they had not yet accepted his appointment. He returned to Venezuela on July 28, where he was received by President Nicolas Maduro at the Third Congress of the United Socialist Party of Venezuela (PSUV).

    The second point of conflict emerged following an Associated Press report detailing the contributions of the US State Department and National Endowment for Democracy to opposition groups in Venezuela. The amount budgeted by the two groups last year, $7.6 million USD, represented a 15 percent increase from 2009, when the Venezuelan National Assembly passed a law attempting to bar these contributions.”


    the carvajal as drug smuggler stuff i dunno about, but it’s been all over the state dept. twitter account. but i easil found the AP report, and yes, many of ‘our backyard’ /s socialist nations (bolivia, ecuador, cuba, have thrown out the ngo’s that promote democracy for the non-socialists, or would-be elites.

    more via AP, keeping in mind that the protests were about ousting maduro, and were directed by the same folks who’d staged a coup against chavez:

    “In Washington, the Senate is considering a bill to boost State Department aid to pro-democracy groups in Venezuela from about $5 million to $15 million amid calls for a tougher line against Venezuela after current President Nicolas Maduro cracked down on anti-government protests. A similar version cleared by the House would maintain current funding levels.

    It’s unclear whether the government has been unable to enforce the law against such funding, or is simply uninterested. The sweeping 2010 ban on foreign donations subjects violators to fines of as much as twice all foreign money received, and bars them from running for public office. Foreigners in Venezuela who provide such aid can be deported.

    Marino Alvarado, director of the centrist Venezuelan human rights group Provea, says the ban was passed to send an anti-imperialist message, but is politically impossible to enforce. Venezuela, which itself provides aid around the region, even in the U.S., would open itself to charges of hypocrisy if it took the extreme step of shutting down local organizations for taking foreign assistance, he said. [snip]

    In Venezuela, there are signs the administration may act to stop the flow of U.S. dollars. Maduro mentioned Sumate at a news conference earlier this year and said he would “reactivate the strict laws we have against foreign funding.” Writing in The New York Times this spring, he raised concerns about the millions the U.S. allocates for the opposition.

    As U.S. funding has continued, Washington’s relationship with Venezuela has deteriorated with Maduro frequently drawing connections between American aid and the violent anti-government protests that claimed at least 43 lives earlier this year. The two countries have not exchanged ambassadors since 2010, when Chavez rejected the U.S. nominee for the post.

    Despite the condemnations and the threat of punishment, many organizations still take U.S. money.”

    yeah, one recent piece at VA was about maduro trying to ‘reset’ relations with the us. and he had broken his butt trying to negotiate with the opposition, and of course some folks said ‘to his and the nation’s detriment’.


    busy prez, busy state dept., busy deep state folks and money.

    mr. wd just called from the highway to cortez to say my car’s newish rear tire blew up all over the highway. crap spare (donut thang) didn’t work, so he had to call a tow truck. helpful highway patrolwoman is helping him. i need a second job, one that might pay, lol.

  7. thanks for the info. still working hard on the Venezuelans.

    They must long for the good old days, when overthrowing was a lot easier.

    “the carvajal as drug smuggler”

    yeah sure.

    drug smuggler.

    The American government would never do business with drug smugglers would it? no, never. that would be wrong.

  8. yes to ‘when overthrowing was a bit easier’, but the deep state means business there, as it does with russia, no matter what putin/the kremlin’s actual intentions are.

    goodness, i’d seen the same thing (or close) at indigenous resistance. seems censored news’s brenda norrell joined them…or something. or is them, kinda confusing….

    http://indigenousresistancejuly2014.blogspot.com/2014/07/palestine-another-sand-creek-massacre.html (including additional links)

  9. boy you don’t hear a peep about latin america/israel, not even from the people that should be trumpeting it. not that hard to find really.

  10. good on you for finding it, mafr. the many gaza posts have so many comments that it’s hard to read all of them to see what hasn’t been brought.

    i remember doing a post about the israeli military training the mexican police and militias how to kill zapatistas. and of course, they got quite good at it, sadly.

    but yes, most folks don’t feel much affinity for the socialist nations in the south, nor exhibit much interest in the southern nations at all. brazil featured in the nsa stories, and the brics as countering western hegemony, but that’s usually about it, eh?

  11. India africa south america are of no interest to europeans/north americans, right, left, or centre.

    I’m not sure why that is. People are going crazy about a two thousand people killed in gaza, (not saying that isn’t important and tragic)

    but five million are killed in the Congo wars, still going on, with periodic mass migrations away from war, and no response. five million dead.

    I tried to post a few things about africa. Nobody cares.

    there’s something wrong with us western world people. something missing.
    or something that should be gone.

    “yahoo” has good news stories much better than google news,

    and at “vice” there’s an article about a shia muslim hit squad going into a brothel in Baghdad and executing 29 prostitutes.

    based on the racket going on around here for a few weeks. the crows had a lot of babies.

    little known pianist, spent time in Europe and North Africa playing.

  12. “San Juan, Jul 30 (EFE).- Drought-stricken Puerto Rico soon will begin implementing an alternate-day water rationing plan that will affect some 300,000 residents of greater San Juan.”


  13. black agenda report cares about africa, and the genocides (tribalcides), but no few care. yes, the numbers of dead in gaza are comparatively low, but that the palestinians have been treated so mercilessly for so long, *and* that the US/israel ae so tied in terms of acceptance of that, and the settlements increasing, that may be why so many at fdl, etc. care. but look, they scarcely care about the donbass, either, although the situations are quite dissimilar except for how many civilians are being killed.

    sudan, or more correctly, south sudan. remember when everyone cared about libya? it’s hell there now, as we knew it would be, and embassies are evacuating as fast as they can.

    and now that the ‘news’ is out that china hired erik prince to advise them on africa, people will care less about this Empire’s designs on those nations, eh?

    i do love that tune. not too fond of his treatment of it (jazz ragtime), but goodness, one can tell what a fine musician he is.

  14. don’t like stride piano?oh dear.

    israel eavesdrops kerry, too funny. sharp letter to be sent.

    when you have time, for more on Israeli front ,check this out, I don’t know much about it, even if it’s true.

    ” Cohen’s reference for the 1968 CIA conclusion about Israeli bombs is 1976 “testimony” of CIA Deputy Director Carl Duckett before the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission.3 The reason Duckett briefed a small group of commissioners (of whom I was one) and several senior NRC staff was not to tell us Israel had the bomb. It was rather to deal with rumors about a deeper secret in the CIA reports, one that had an even bigger potential for political disaster, and one that I believe was the real reason for the hyper-secrecy. What Duckett confirmed, to everyone’s astonishment, was that the CIA believed that the nuclear explosives in Israel’s first several bombs, about one hundred kilograms of bomb-grade uranium in all, came from material that was missing at a US naval nuclear fuel plant operated by the Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation (NUMEC), in Apollo, Pennsylvania”



  15. okay, okay, mark…i’m not much of a musical sophisticate, lol. i liked the slow, ineffable dreaminess of the sung version, see?

    weird on that, and i’m so crazed with chores, and just got a phone call that our daughter’s family car may have thrown a rod in ft. garland, co, so he’s heading there….sixes and sevens, so often. but this is waaaaay long, and the sidebar comments didn’t reflect what i thought i was (admittedly) scanning. i think if was on wikileaks’ twitter thang. they, by the by, are calling for all the snowden docs on israel to be released. yes, i agree, given the wikicables of the past. anyway, back as i can manage it. i need breaks, though, luckily….


  16. oh, and on one of kevin’s posts, i did give him this subject, and he apparently has included it in his podcast, whatever the hell those are…

  17. ok… thanks

  18. hmmm, that piece is dated 2004. i sure do wish there were comments below it, don’t you?

    i failed again to make sense of the piece i linked, my eyes are bad, and i’m always in such a blooming hurry. but about 2/5 of the way down the slidey bar, it says:

    ““Doyle’s references to Israel’s nuclear arsenal could not possibly be considered secret, said Nate Jones, who deals with nuclear-related, declassified documents at the nonprofit National Security Archive, affiliated with George Washington University. “We have a bunch of postings on our site [referring to Israel’s bombs] that were declassified officially through regular channels,” he said.
    Jones said that as far as he can tell, the article did not betray any secrets.”

    ‘sharp letter to be sent’; ha! who’d have thunk he could have turned out to be such a loose cannon of a neocon? he, by the by, has been on a major charm offensive in india, obviously to neutralize some of their deals with the BRICS, no?

  19. I don’t get it either, hard to follow.


  20. NO, Easy! :
    “It sure looks like he’s being fired for supporting the President’s policy.”
    – Jon Wolfsthal, special adviser on nuclear matters to Vice President Biden from 2009 to 2012
    Simply follow the exact opposite of anything 0 sez or duz; and all is well!:

  21. re kerry in india

    “The World Trade Organization, or WTO, failed to ratify its first landmark deal since its inception in 1995 as the deadline for signing the Trade Facilitation Agreement ended on Thursday.

    India, backed by Cuba, Venezuela and Bolivia, declined to sign the agreement even as U.S. officials, including U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry — who is currently in India for the fifth U.S.-India strategic dialogue — failed to reach a compromise”


    obama is not reducing spending on nuclear weapons, he is increasing it.

    mother jones …””It’s troubling that for the third year in a row, the President’s budget proposal funds nuclear weapons programs at the expense of virtually every nonproliferation effort,” Rep. Mike Quigley (D-Ill.), “

  22. ooh, boy; can’t wait to read. loads of chirren to feed and love. sweet dreams, i’ll be up early in the mornin’.

  23. about time, too. hope nothing was redacted. i’ll read in my free moments.


    no, obomba’s been ‘modernizing’ the nuclear arsenal since his first term. i just meant i couldn’t locate the references to the passage that apparently had shown that israel absolutely did have nukes (worst kept secret evah, eh?)

  24. i’m stymied by this that glenn greenwald wrote:

    ‘The new Snowden documents illustrate a crucial fact: Israeli aggression would be impossible without the constant, lavish support and protection of the U.S. government, which is anything but a neutral, peace-brokering party in these attacks. And the relationship between the NSA and its partners on the one hand, and the Israeli spying agency on the other, is at the center of that enabling.’

    there simply can’t be *new snowden documents* dated april of 2013, given that the first of the ‘revelations’ were published on may 6, 2013. previously he had always called them ‘previously unpublished’, etc. it’s good that he changed his mind about there being no documents left to publish, except for ones *others* might find of interest. gee, maybe these facts might have saved some lives or something…. (yes, i am peeved as hell.)

    but yikers, give that kerry’s been in india on his anti-brics pro-WHO charm offensive (great link, by the by), bet officials in india loved reading this:

    ‘Another section of the threat assessment document is entitled “Foreign Intelligence, Conterintelligence [sic]; Denial & Deception Activities: Countering Foreign Intelligence Threats.” It is defined as “Espionage/intelligence collection operations and manipulation/influence operations conducted by foreign intelligence services directed against U.S. government, military, science & technology and Intelligence Community.” The countries posing the greatest threat: “China, Russia, Cuba, Israel, Iran, Pakistan, North Korea, France, Venezuela, and South Korea.”

    not to mention the israeli govt. reading that the nsa didn’t trust them on a host of key issues.

    a friend just sent me a link to this update of pierre omidyar’s; sounds like the whole big show is kinda on hold to me (and my stars, is it written in a crap, bombastic style). what’s a ‘technologist’ anyway?

  25. BIG fuss for the opening announcement, then nothing. who knows what happened. Maybe they decided they didn’t want to be involved with the money guy.

    is the King of Saudi Arabia ok? check this out

    “Saudi Arabian King Abdullah granted $1 billion to help the Lebanese army to bolster security as they battle militants who have seized the border town of Arsal on the Syrian frontier, state news agency SPA reported.”

    I imagine those are the Sunni soldiers that USA and Saudi Arabia gave money and guns to. Does Saudi Arabian royal family just want turmoil in the middle east?

    They are very good at keeping the focus away from what they do.


  26. the comments at yahoo, again seem sensible.

  27. Suggestion of care to be taken, re: blackmail. The author indicates “smelly underpants” but presents a lot of inforn from Ms. Edwards.

  28. 69 years ago today Hiroshima destroyed by American Atomic bomb.

  29. oh, my. now is the time to say that i have no idea about what’s been going on in syria, markf. meaning that i can’t even make a sensible comment on your article. do you meant that ‘no follow up’ means abdullah might be in his grave?

    and er…eerW: pardon? comment or spam (sorry to ask)?

  30. Syriassly, the same’s Iraq, Lebanon, Gaza and Ukraine: Oceaniac Usraeli neo-colonial imperialism, EPITOMIZED. My latest counter to it is expressed by: Barackalypse, NO; STOP his burning Bush PNAC Attacks.

    Oopsies, EastAsia divot. … Or Well

  31. no, I didn’t mean that, I meant just that I think he’s very old, and right now nothing they are doing makes any sense, other than to cause destruction everywhere they can.

  32. i wonder if the succession is known before his death? so, so many relatives he has. death and destruction, yes, and Apocalypses Abound. Besides religious domination, the Sauds do like their petro-dollars, don’t they?

  33. Imagine how the world will change, when energy comes from the sun, wind, and so on.

    These people can all “F”- off at that point.

    specially if it’s “distributed” energy. don’t need any renewable monopoly either.

    19 high jackers saudi, we invade afghanistan. that’s your petrodollars.

    obama actually looked a little wan on tube yesterday, probably cause someone he might relate to, a general, got killed over there, as a direct result of Obama’s malfeasance.

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